2018 AGM at The Diamond Centre for Disabled Riders, Woodmansterne Road on Tuesday, 11th December 2018 at 7.30 pm
The Carshalton Beeches Residents Association (CBRA) web site is intended to keep residents aware of local news and developments as they occur, and to provide a forum for discussion. If you have an issue, then contact either the "web master", link at bottom, or contact your local district representative. Contact telephone numbers and addresses are published in the Newsletter. If you have comments concerning the content and layout of the site (see contacts page for email addresses) they will be especially welcome. Your committee hopes that the site will be of interest. Updates are made on a regular basis, so come back soon.
The Association Newsletter is published twice a year and will continue as a medium for providing in depth information. If you have an article that you would like to
share with the membership, please contact any member of the executive committee.
Please note that we are collecting members email addresses so that, for those who "opt in", email advice can be supplied concerning planning applications that may affect them. All that you need do, is to email Ken Moser whose email address is on the Contacts and Area page of this web site. Please note that the no direct link is given (to minimise spam to him). Should you "opt in", please supply name and address. Should you change your email address, it will be helpful if you would advise Ken.
Your email details will not be offered to any third party, under any circumstances.
The planning office usually only advise immediate neighbours, and not necessarily those whose garden may back onto the proposed developent site, or who are more than approx 30 yards away.
The 2018 AGM will be held at the Diamond Centre, as one of the organisations in our area is in serious dispute with Seaton House.
Diamond Autumn Fair
Please note that the date of the Fair is 30th September. Included in the Diamond Centre Autumn Fair is a dog show, so bring your dog along, and below are posters advertising the event.
Hate them, or suffer them? Surrey County Council have converted the speed cameras on the A217 between the M25 and Banstead to averaging ones. So, you can no longer "surf" the cameras! Have a look at this article,as there are a lot of them, even apparently between roundabouts! Getsurrey online
The A3 northbound from the M25 towards Tolworth also has a number of these cameras installed, so the days for "boy racers" are numbered.
Please note that over the next months, police will be carrying out operations in Pine Walk, Woodmansterne Road, and Stanley Park Road to catch people driving faster than the permittted speed - 30mph. No information is available concerning scheduling. Be warned!
Dropped kerbs: (ie your vehicle access onto the road) it is an offence to park overlapping a dropped kerb without the householder's permission at any time. If it occurs on your driveway call Indigo (the LBS contractor) on 020 8661 0096 to have a fine issued (ticket). They will check with you on arrival and before issuing a ticket. Alternatively you can place a notice on the offending vehicle asking the driver to take care.
You can give permission to park on or adjacent to the dropped kerb in front of your property, but on an individual basis.
Helicopters and Noise
The CAA completed a consultation on aircraft noise in January 2018. The link to access the survey was at:
If you have had concerns about the noise they make and the height at which they fly (and it should be a minimum of 500 feet from the nearest object - roof, tower, mast etc), you can always make a complaint on that link.
The CAA address for complaints about height and noise is as follows:
and for some obscure reason, I needed to copy this link and paste it into my browser address bar, if you click it, it may take you somewhere other than the correct
It is helpful if you can furnish photographs (although it is accepted that having a camera to hand when one flies over is not easy) and also other people who you can cite as witnesses. An alternative is to use the application Flightradar24 to identify the offending aircraft. Ths app is available as a free or paid for version on both Android and Apple mobile phone platforms.
Please use the links above and lets resolve the problem of noisy low flying helicopters. The minimum height that they are supposed to fly at is 300 metres (approx 1000 feet). Please let Ken Moser know if you receive a sensible and informative response (or none!).
Revised Sutton Local Plan
Sutton have posted the Local Plan on their website here and the consultation ran until 24th February.
They state that the land West of Wellfield Gardens has been removed from the plan, so no development is proposed on it.
NEW SCHOOL - SUTTON HOSPITAL SITE - LATEST!
Due to the late running of this project, the council submitted a change of use request for one of the buildings on the Sutton hospital site (Cumbrian House), to house the initial forms of entry. The building is at the back of the site furthest from Cotswold Road. The planning application is B2017/77755.
£8m was expended in the purchase of the site for the new school on the site of Sutton Hospital. The school will be a 6FE (form of entry) school and will probably cause transport congestion, as well as being very out of keeping with the neighbourhood, as can be seen. The proposed finishes are modern, and below is the latest iteration of the plans. The application has been approved. The CBRA is a contributing member of the local Neighbourhood Forum, and with which the council will be obliged to consult when it is formally registered, but which, disappointingly, has had little influence on the final design. The only alteration the council have made is to reduce the height adjacent to Chiltern Road from 3 stories to an offset 3 stories. However the overall height will effectively be 5 stories, 4 stories plus plant on the roof. As such, it will dwarf an adjacent 3 storey building (Darwin House) and all the nearby residential properties. See the files below, there are 3, NS3update3.pdf, NS3_02-06-16.pdf and Public_Meeting_4_Final_Slides.pdf. The final cost is expected to be £40m, and the Education Finance Act will see SOME of this offset by the Government, but probably not all. It is appears likely that probably 60-70% of the build cost might be recouped (none of the site purchase, although planning costs might be refunded). It seems that all of us will pay for this despite the no one who attended the consultation events being in favour of a school on this site. It is however, undeniable, that 2 new secondary schools are needed in the borough in the next 2-4 years.
There was a final "consultation" meeting on Thursday 15th September 2016 where the final design was available for inspection. See the third file below. More information is available from LBS here.
The planning application for the new school has been validated by the planning department, and can be found here and by entering planning application ID: B2016/76164
Seaton House & Planning Application - UPDATE
Seaton House school was granted permission to build a new clubhouse for the Carshalton Beeches Bowls Club and has completed the shell, and no further work has been
carried out to make it usable. The club currently occupies the top floor of the school building. The club is in dispute with the school, as the school have issued a notice to quit. Legal action is in
train (not for the first time).
The second application for the school building, which addressed the inspectors grounds for refusal, of a loss of privacy to residents in Westway, was successful, despite a small number of objections to it, as it addressed the inspector's refusal terms.
On the Planning Page, it can be seen that Seaton House school has submitted a change of use application for 65 Banstead Road South (from residential to school). It is assumed that this is so other works can be carried out once the necessary alterations have been made to No 65.
Planning applications, when granted, must be commenced within 3 years of the application approval date.
A little history: The Bowls Club commenced on the site in 1929 and have been a continuously resident ever since. At the time, the site included a tennis court, a swimming pool, and a croquet green, all provided by the original developer for the use of the local residents. In the 1960s, the Club was offered the site but regrettably at the time it was not considered a financial possibility. Miss Henry, the headteacher of the school, (which then was smaller and in 67 Banstead Road South) offered to buy the site.
So far, the school governors and management have not been able to reach a reslution on the terms of a new lease for the bowls club, and a court direction hearing will be held in December.
The police call it Theft: from vehicle - don't leave anything valuable in your vehicle. In particular, don't leave belongings in your vehicle on display.
Burglary: The usual precautions apply (locking windows and all exit doors prior to going out), and more information on securing your property can be obtained by
contacting the police station of 8649 1212 and asking for the Crime Prevention Officer.
The CPO usually advises not to lock internal doors (other than to a garage), as once in, criminals will smash them to gain further access.
Do you know what your Safer Neighbourhood Team (SNT) priorites are? Have a look on the Links page to find out - they aren't listed here as they may
change following Ward meetings. Do you know who your SNT are? Photos, contact information and contact information etc on the MPS page linked from our Sutton Safer
Note that we bridge 2 SNT areas, Sunnymede Ave, Vincent Ave, Fairway and the top (south west) end of Banstead Road South are all currently in Belmont ward and the remainder of our area is in Carshalton South & Clockhouse.
Contacting the police: 999 for urgent access - report a crime in progress, or other emergency, 101 for non-emergency calls. You can also call the individual ward SNT - see links page for link to the relevant MPS page.
Perhaps unsolicited - but relevant if you have (youngish) children - Other News page.
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Planning Guidance further information about the planning process and how to object to or support an application
Fraud & Scams - methods by which the bad guys separate you from your money
Contacts & Area - contact details for the committee, and the area covered by our association
Constitution - the formal constitution of the association, the area covered and key contacts, as well as some background
AGM Minutes & Accounts - report from the last AGM, and accounts for the year
Trees - things to watch out for
Recycling - information about the new service
Other News - Various news items and advice (not relevant anywhere else!)
Links - useful links and local services